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Message 1.Â
Posted by Iamjillian (U3131691) on Friday, 2nd December 2011
I have hit 2 brickwalls on my Lidiard family.
Alfred Lidiard christened 22 mar 1822 Bathwick Somerset, married Ann Walton on 10 jul 1846. They had a daughter Edith born about 1848 in Lanelly Wales but on the 1851 Census Ann is a Widow living in Huddersfield.
Can anyone find the registration of the death of Alfred and Birth of Edith. I have looked on fmp and Ance++y with no luck.
I would be very grateful for any ideas from the "experts" on how to find them. -
Message 2
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Friday, 2nd December 2011
Here's the birth for Edith.
Births Jun 1847 (>99%)
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Lidlard Edith Llanelly 26 656 -
Message 3
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Friday, 2nd December 2011
And death of Alfred.
Deaths Sep 1847 (>99%)
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Ligiard Alfred Llanelly 26 423 -
Message 4
Posted by harrywrag (U5960852) on Saturday, 3rd December 2011
july 11th at the church of st martin-le-grand york alfred lidiard esq. civil engineer llanelly south wales to anne eldest daughter of the rev d walton wesleyan minister of york (marriage) 1846
june 28th at llanelly carmarthenshire mr alfred lidiard civil engineer youngest son of mr lidiard bath (death) 1847
wilson- lidiard at the church of st.john the devine fairfield liverpool john h son of mr james wilson of glen avon bath to edith daughter of the late mr alfred lidiard of llanelly carmarthenshire april 20th 1876 (marriage) 1876
on the 18th inst at sale anne lidiard eldest daughter of the late rev. daniwel walton and widow of the late alfred lidiard of norfolk crescent bath freinds will please accept this invitation (death) 1873
did anne run a school with her sister ? -
Message 5
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Saturday, 3rd December 2011
july 11th at the church of st martin-le-grand york alfred lidiard esq. civil engineer llanelly south wales to anne eldest daughter of the rev d walton wesleyan minister of york (marriage) 1846
june 28th at llanelly carmarthenshire mr alfred lidiard civil engineer youngest son of mr lidiard bath (death) 1847
wilson- lidiard at the church of st.john the devine fairfield liverpool john h son of mr james wilson of glen avon bath to edith daughter of the late mr alfred lidiard of llanelly carmarthenshire april 20th 1876 (marriage) 1876
on the 18th inst at sale anne lidiard eldest daughter of the late rev. daniwel walton and widow of the late alfred lidiard of norfolk crescent bath freinds will please accept this invitation (death) 1873
did anne run a school with her sister ? Looks Like it Harry
1851 ( not all scholars shown )
LIDIARD, Annie Head Widow F 30 1821 Proprietress Of Ladies School
Colne
Lancashire
BLAGHORNE, Maria Unmarried F 51 1800 Domestic Manager
Leeds
Yorkshire
WALTON, Harriet Sister Unmarried F 21 1830
Rochdale
Lancashire
WALTON, Maria Sister Unmarried F 19 1832
Rochdale
Lancashire
LIDIARD, Edith Daughter F 3 1848
Llanelly
Wales
DOWSE, Helen Boarder Unmarried F 16 1835 Scholar
Skelmanthorpe
Yorkshire
WILKINSON, Hannah E Boarder Unmarried F 16 1835 Scholar
Hull
Yorkshire
FAIRBOURNE, Ann W Boarder Unmarried F 13 1838 Scholar
Todmorden
Yorkshire -
Message 6
Posted by Iamjillian (U3131691) on Saturday, 3rd December 2011
Thank you Tourmie, that is a great help to get my records straight. I should have thought of the i to l change but not the d to g!
Many thanks also to Harrywrag for the extra information and details. Lovely!
Where did you find this, and what month was the "18th inst" of Ann Waltons death?
Yes as Jan says Ann did run a school for quite a time.
I do appreciate your help. Thanks to you all again. -
Message 7
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Saturday, 3rd December 2011
Name: Edith Lidiard
Age: Full Age
Marriage Date: 28 Apr 1876
Parish: Fairfield St John the Divine
Spouse's Name: John Henry Wilson - solicitor of Charlcombe Somerset
Father's Name: Alfred Lidiard - civil engineer
Spouse Father's Name: James Wilson - architect
Witnesses Alfred Ralph Wilson and Alice A Edmonds [? the signature is rather flat] -
Message 8
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Saturday, 3rd December 2011
Here they are in 1881
Name: Edith Wilson
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Henry Wilson
Gender: Female
Where born: Carmarthew Llanelly, Wales
Civil parish: Charlcombe
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street Address: Woodville
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Solicitors Wife
Registration district: Bath
Sub-registration district: Batheaston
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2443
Folio: 99
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
John Henry Wilson 32 - b Bath
Edith Wilson 33
Henry Lydiard Wilson 4 - b Bath
Ellen Amelia Withy 22 - servant
Hannah Dungey 15 - nurse domestic
1901
Name: Edith Wilson
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Henry Wilson
Gender: Female
Where born: Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil parish: Charlcombe
Ecclesiastical parish: Charlcombe St Mary
Town: Charlcombe
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: Bath
Sub-registration district: Batheaston
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 43
Piece: 2344
Folio: 133
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
John Henry Wilson 52
Edith Wilson 50
Edith I Wilson 19
Cyril Spencer Wilson 17
Caroline Hart 47
Carrie Christobel Wood 23 -
Message 9
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Saturday, 3rd December 2011
1911 3 children born all living
WILSON, John Henry Head Married
35 years M 62 1849 Solicitor Somerset Bath
WILSON, Edith Wife Married
35 years F 60 1851 Carmarthenshire Llanelly
WILSON, Cyril Spencer Son Single M 27 1884 Assistant Manager Carri Department G W Ry Somerset Charlcombe
GREGORY, Emily Mary Servant Single F 27 1884 Cook Domestic Somerser Radstock
WESTON, Lilian Agnes Servant Single F 20 1891 Housemaid Domestic Wiltshire Calns
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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
14733 Reference:
RG14PN14733 RG78PN894 RD316 SD5 ED7 SN8
Address:
Woodville Lansdown Bath -
Message 10
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Saturday, 3rd December 2011
1891
WILSON, John H Head Married M 42 1849 Solicitor
Bath
Somersetshire
WILSON, Edith Wife Married F 43 1848
Llanelly
Carmarthenshire
WILSON, Henry T Son M 14 1877
Bath
Somersetshire
WILSON, Edith J Daughter F 9 1882
Bath
Somersetshire
WILSON, Cyril S Son M 7 1884
Bath
Somersetshire
HART, Caroline Servant Widow F 37 1854 Nurse Domestic Servant
Bath
Somersetshire
OWEN, Elizabeth J Servant Single F 21 1870 Cook Domestic Servant
Wroughton
Wiltshire
Address:
Woodvilla, Lansdown Road, Charlcombe County:
Somersetshire -
Message 11
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Saturday, 3rd December 2011
Some info on Edith and Johns son
Cambridge University Alumni, 1261-1900
about Henry Lydiard Wilson
Name: Henry Lydiard Wilson
College: SELWYN
Entered: Michs. 1895
Born: 16 Jan 1877
More Information: Adm. at SELWYN H., Oct. 1, 1895. B. Jan. 16, 1877. Matric. Michs. 1895; B.A. 1898; B.Chir. 1904; M.B. 1905; M.D. 1910. At St Bartholomew's Hospital. M.R.C.S.; L.R.C.P. 1903. House Surgeon and House Physician, General Hospital, Birmingham. Resident Medical Officer, Belgrave Hospital, Clapham Road, London. Practised at Bath. Served in the Great War, 1914-19 (Lieut., R.A.M.C.). Subsequently practised in London. Of 52, Seymour Street, Portman Square, 1948. (Medical Directories.) -
Message 12
Posted by Iamjillian (U3131691) on Saturday, 3rd December 2011
Thank you Mabel and Bashfuljan I did knpow about Ediths marriage and children and I thought I had posted a message on this but it looks as thogh it got lost in the system!
I did not however have son Henry and his career so that is good info.
What I am really interested in are Alfred's Lidiard relations who would be alive 1850 to 1880 time particularly an Anne, a Maria and an Elizabeth. They could be connected to William Lidiard born about 1816 on 1841 census but I still cannot find anything about him after 1841.
Does anyone have any more ideas on this. They should be in the Somerset area not connected to the Berkshire family.
All suggestions gratefully received. -
Message 13
Posted by bishenbertie (U13222350) on Saturday, 3rd December 2011
Could this be the birth of the Elizabeth you are looking for:-
Births Jun 1859 (>99%)
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Lidiard Elizabeth Bath 5c 758 -
Message 14
Posted by bishenbertie (U13222350) on Saturday, 3rd December 2011
1871 Anne family born in Hampshire though:-
WILDE, John Head M 43 1828 Shropshire
WILDE, Mary A Wife F 42 1829 Middlesex
WILDE, Sydney J Son M 18 1853 Middlesex
WILDE, Florence E Daughter F 15 1856 Middlesex
WILDE, Rose S Daughter F 11 1860 Hampshire
WILDE, Evelyn S Daughter F 5 1866 Hampshire
WILDE, Rowland S Son M 3 1868 Hampshire
HEAD, Mary A Servant F 23 1848 Hampshire
MASTERS, Julia Servant F 19 1852 Hampshire
HINE, Sydney Servant M 19 1852 Hampshire
LIDIARD, Mary Daughter F 11 1860 Hampshire
LIDIARD, Samuel Son M 7 1864 Hampshire
LIDIARD, Anne Daughter F 6 1865 Hampshire
LIDIARD, Robert A Son M 0 1871 Hampshire
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Piece:
1211 Folio:
57 Page:
25 Registration District:
Winchester
Civil Parish:
St Peter Colebrook Municipal Borough:
Winchester Address:
Colebrook Street, St Peter Colebrook, Winchester County:
Hampshire -
Message 15
Posted by bishenbertie (U13222350) on Saturday, 3rd December 2011
1861 another lidiard family in bath are these the family of Elizabeth whose birth I found 2 messages ago:-
LIDIARD, Peter Head Married M 54 1807 Journeyman Mason
Bath
LIDIARD, Elizabeth Wife Married F 34 1827
Bath
LIDIARD, Edward Son Unmarried M 12 1849 Errand Boy
Bath
LIDIARD, Henry Son Unmarried M 11 1850 Scholar
Bath
LIDIARD, Emma Daughter Unmarried F 8 1853 Scholar
Bath
LIDIARD, William Son Unmarried M 2 1859 Scholar
Bath
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Piece:
1687 Folio:
6 Page:
8 Registration District:
Bath
Civil Parish:
St James Municipal Borough:
Bath Address:
20, Private House, Lower Borough Walls, St James, Bath County:
Somersetshire -
Message 16
Posted by harrywrag (U5960852) on Sunday, 4th December 2011
18th inst for anne was may 1873
education
newhouse nr. huddersfield
mrs alfred lidiard and her sister, daughters of the rev. daniel walton having acceded to the urgent request of their freinds to remove their establishment to huddersfield. have secured an eligible situation in brunswick terrace newhouse. one of the suburbs of that town where the young ladies will be received after the missummer vacation on monday july twenty third 1849.. cards with terms and referances to the parents of pupils already educated in the establishment may be obtained by application to mrs lidiard , summerfield near bolton or brunswick terrace newhouse huddersfield.
partnership disolved oct 1858
anne lidiard and sarah ann barker huddersfield schoolmistresses -
Message 17
Posted by Iamjillian (U3131691) on Sunday, 4th December 2011
Thanks Harrywrag, that is another useful bit of information. It looks as though she already had a school before she moved to Huddersfield then.
Bishenbertie thanks for the other families. I dont think the Hampshire family is mine, but the Peter Lidiard one looks interesting but I would need to tie Peter to Alfred somehow.
Jillian -
Message 18
Posted by harrywrag (U5960852) on Sunday, 4th December 2011
looks like they were running two schools bashfuljan has them at colne 1851 and the article i found has them 1849 opening at huddersfield
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Message 19
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Sunday, 4th December 2011
There are actually two Peter Lidiards in the bath area of a similar age - both married to Elizabeths!
These are the siblings
England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8) / England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Sarah Louisa Lidiard
birth: 03 Sep 1814
christening: 10 Sep 1814 WESLEYAN,​BATH,​SOMERSET,​ENGLAND
death: 13 Aug 1821
parents: William Bye Lidiard,​ Sarah Fear
Emily Lidiard
christening: 13 Oct 1816 Bathwick,​ Somerset
parents: William Bye Lidiard,​ Sarah Lidiard
Elizabeth Lidiard
birth: 10 Sep 1817
christening: 10 Apr 1818 WESLEYAN,​BATH,​SOMERSET,​ENGLAND
parents: William Bye Lidiard,​ Sarah
Hannah Maria Lidiard
birth: 05 Mar 1819
christening: 25 Apr 1819 WESLEYAN,​BATH,​SOMERSET,​ENGLAND
parents: William Bye Lidiard,​ Sarah Lidiard
Henrietta Jane Lidiard
birth: 26 Aug 1820
christening: 24 Sep 1820 WESLEYAN,​BATH,​SOMERSET,​ENGLAND
parents: William Bye Lidiard,​ Sarah Lidiard
Alfred Lidiard
birth: 05 Feb 1822
christening: 17 Mar 1822 WESLEYAN,​BATH,​SOMERSET,​ENGLAND
parents: William Bye Lidiard,​ Sarah
Here are some of them in 1841
Name: Henrietta Lidiard
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Female
Where born: Somerset, England
Civil parish: Walcot
Hundred: Bath Forum
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Bath
Sub-registration district: Lansdown
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 970
Book: 9
Folio: 37
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Lidiard 50 - independent means
William Lidiard 25 - Attorney
Elizabeth Lidiard 20
Hannah Lidiard 20
Henrietta Lidiard 15 -
Message 20
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Sunday, 4th December 2011
1851
Name: Hannah M Lidiard
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William B Lidiard
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Bath, Somerset, England
Civil parish: Walcot
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Bath
Sub-registration district: Lansdown
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 5
Piece: 1943
Folio: 200
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
William B Lidiard 62 - conveyancer in practice
Emily Lidiard 30
Hannah M Lidiard 28
Henretta J Lidiard 26
Ann Fear 72 - relative b Clifton
Betsey Hughes 30
Harriet Mitchells 30 -
Message 21
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Sunday, 4th December 2011
1871 - Hannah and Emily
Name: Hannah M Liddard
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Bath, Somerset, England
Civil parish: Walcot Trinity
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Bath
Sub-registration district: Lansdown
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 2
Piece: 2492
Folio: 71
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Emily Liddard 54
Hannah M Liddard 52
Harriet Mitchell 50
Mary Ann West 17
1881 - Hannah and Henrietta
Name: Hannah Maria Lidiard
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Bath, Somerset, England
Civil parish: Walcot
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street Address: 8 Oxford Row
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Dividends
Registration district: Bath
Sub-registration district: Lansdown
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2441
Folio: 99
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Henrietta Jane James 60 - Widow Of Wesleyan Minister
Hannah Maria Lidiard 62
Thomas E.L. James 23 - architect, son -
Message 22
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Sunday, 4th December 2011
1891 - the Wilsons are described a visitors, but Elizabeth is b Bath at the rigth time so I wonder if she is the missing sister?
Name: Hannah M Lidiard
Age: 72
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Bath, Somerset, England
Civil parish: Clapham
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Clapham
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 442
Folio: 99
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Hannah M Lidiard 72
Thomas E L James 33
Elizabeth Wilson 73
James Wilson 75
Susan Jackson 58
Minnie Clements 17 -
Message 23
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Sunday, 4th December 2011
Have just realised the Wilsons are Edith Lidiard's inlaws!
Name: John H Wilson
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Wilson
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Wilson
Gender: Male
Where born: Bath
Civil parish: Paddington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: St John Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 13a
Household schedule number: 155
Piece: 22
Folio: 60
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
James Wilson 55
Elizabeth Wilson 50
Maria J Wilson 24
James B Wilson 23
John H Wilson 22
Elizabeth C Wilson 18
Alfred R Wilson 16
Elizabeth M Buckley 25 -
Message 24
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Sunday, 4th December 2011
< Elizabeth M Buckley 25 >
Is a niece, b Llanelly
Following her back she is from the Buckley's brewing firm which is still going. Her father is b Gloucester and mother from Llanelly, daughter of Joshua Wodge a landed proprietor from St Ives Cornwall
Elizabeth Wilson may or may not be related to the Lidiards, but the interconnections are fascinating -
Message 25
Posted by Iamjillian (U3131691) on Sunday, 4th December 2011
Yes Mabel, The Wilsons are Ediths in-laws and Thomas James is the son of Henrietta James nee Lidiard Alfred's sister. So that is correct but unfortunately doesn't find me an Elizabeth with surname Lidiard in the 1860's.
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Message 26
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Sunday, 4th December 2011
< So that is correct but unfortunately doesn't find me an Elizabeth with surname Lidiard in the 1860's. >
If it's Alfred's sister you are looking for, what are the chances she is still a Lidiard? There's an Elizabeth Lidiard marrying in Bath in 1850 - choice of four spouses
Buckley John Mark
Lye Henry
Redmant William
Reynolds John -
Message 27
Posted by Tourmie (U13798934) on Sunday, 4th December 2011
Marriages Dec 1850 (>99%)
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Buckley John Mark Bath 11 13
Cleall Mark Bedminster 11 13
Lidiard Elizabeth Bath 11 13
Lydyard Emma Bath 11 13
Lye Henry Bath 11 13
Plenty Hester Bath 11 13
Redmant William Bath 11 13
Reynolds John Bath 11 13
Yates Eliza Bath 11 13
There are a couple of Lidiard/Lydyard marriages here including an Elizabeth. -
Message 28
Posted by Bashfuljan157 (U5893214) on Sunday, 4th December 2011
Mabel
A Buckley / Lidiard marriage would tie in with the niece Elizabeth Buckley from your previous posts -
Message 29
Posted by Iamjillian (U3131691) on Monday, 5th December 2011
Thank you all for your replies. I am now going to have to look at all this information in detail and see if I can get any further in my quest!
Jillian -
Message 30
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Tuesday, 6th December 2011
OK - so I think Elizabeth Lidiard did indeed marry John Buckley, with Llanelli connections
From the search results of the British Newspaper archive (hence the bad optical character recognition!)
Bath Chronicle and Weekly Gazette - Thursday 24 )ct 1850
"...urch, Bath, by the Rev. L. Thomas. John Esq son of the late Rev. James Buckley, of dig ye O V, Ltoehy! Carmarthenshire, to Elizabeth second daughter B. Lidiard. Esq.. of Norfolk-crescent, j**} ult., "
Elizabeth and her family were living at Norfolk Crescent in 1841
In 1861 there is a marriage between Elizabeth Buckley and James Wilson. From censuses, John Wilson, who married Edith Lidiard, and his siblings, all predate this marriage, but certainly suggests Edith married her step cousin. It would also explain how a schoolmistress from Lancashire met her spouse, an architect from Somerset
I cannot however find John & Elizabeth Buckley on 1851 or 1861 or James Wilson on 1861 (have found some of his children with relatives)
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