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A true blue rose at last? Or not?
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Message 1.Â
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Tuesday, 20th September 2011
I've never been too impressed with so-called blue roses such as 'Blue Moon' and 'Once in a Blue Moon' so I wonder how good this new rose, 'Applause' will be. I have come across some really blue rose pictures online but am sure their deep colour is as a result of Photoshop. -
Message 2
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Tuesday, 20th September 2011
Hmm, not really blue at all, more of a very pale mauvy pink. I think I'll keep my money in my pocket. -
Message 3
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Tuesday, 20th September 2011
It's definitely lilac. I don't see the point of blue roses or roses without perfume or pink delphiniums.
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Message 4
Posted by Yvieh (U14441579) on Tuesday, 20th September 2011
Hi Paul,
I don't believe any of those 'true' coloured flowers anymore. I bought one from an online supplier I use regularly. It was called 'Black Baccarra' and was shown both online and in the catalogue as jet black. It came out as a deep red, which was very beautiful but certainly not black. I wrote to the supplier expressing my disappointment and, to their credit, they did refund my money. I won't be trying another. Yve -
Message 5
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Tuesday, 20th September 2011
I well remember the great Geoff Hamilton berating nurseries for enhancing the colour of their Blue Moons in their catalogues.
, so nothing changes. Perhaps I'm being unfair.
I am sorely tempted by the Louis XIV china rose in Peter Beales catalogue but I'd like to see it first hand before parting with my money. It's the blackest rose I've come across and in fairness they describe it as 'very dark red almost black'.
I can understand gardener's dislike for 'unnatural' colours with flowers, as I still cannot get my head around Boxer dogs with long tails
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Message 6
Posted by Swedboy (U14400604) on Wednesday, 21st September 2011
GQT claimed last year that roses can't produce a blue colour as they don't have the necessary colour pigment for blue in their genome. Think it was in the Christmas new year's edition.
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Message 7
Posted by Yvieh (U14441579) on Wednesday, 21st September 2011
I'll bow to GQT superior knowledge about such things, and although the 'black baccarra' was a huge disappointment, I am sorely tempted to try the Tulip 'Super Blues' on the Van Meuwen website. I'm a fool, I know
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Message 8
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Wednesday, 21st September 2011
Swedboy - the blurb says this rose has been tampered with genetically to introduce the true blue colour but for me it doesn't work and i personally see no interest in a blue rose. There are so many wonderful colours in roses and so many with gorgeous variations of colour in each petal that i just don't get the hunt for a blue rose. It's as daft as trying for a blue daffodil.
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Message 9
Posted by Swedboy (U14400604) on Wednesday, 21st September 2011
Or as ghastly as a pink daff!
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Message 10
Posted by friedrich (U5507516) on Thursday, 22nd September 2011
With has already been discussed at length last year, see U14441579 etc.
When it come to black roses, this has been achieved, or nearly. When grin in a greenhouse, in shade, they were almost black, but grown outside the shrivelled up when exposed to the sun as the black does not reflect the sun rays. -
Message 11
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Friday, 23rd September 2011
Friedrich
I tried pasting that link in the 'Search' box but it just bounced back to your latest post.
I presume your nameless black rose was an experiment which didn't go into production because it shrivelled up in the sun? -
Message 12
Posted by friedrich (U5507516) on Friday, 23rd September 2011
Paul,
I produced many seedlings in the colour involving various parent, all responded the same. Others also have tried it with the same results. Its an interesting subject as there are other flowers with black or near black flower which do not have this problem.
When it comes to the blue rose and any other genetically modified flowers, I am totally against it, we don't need it, especially as we don't know the long term consequences. -
Message 13
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Friday, 23rd September 2011
Friedrich
I was with you until the last line. What "long term consequences" could there be? -
Message 14
Posted by friedrich (U5507516) on Saturday, 24th September 2011
Firstly we don't long the long term effect this may have, secondly we don't need a blue rose and last but not least such modified plants are currently not allowed to be produced in the UK. There has been lots of work at Universities in introducing a rice gene into plants, including roses, resulting in plants resistant to fungal diseases. Even this is unessical.
Just consider the plants and animals introduced into the UK from other countries which are causing a tremendous problem. Add to this those with modified genes! -
Message 15
Posted by bookertoo (U3655866) on Saturday, 24th September 2011
I am so pleased to read this thread, I have never understood the amount of time and doubtless money, growers put into trying to grow plants the 'wrong' colour! I would not accept pink daffs as a gift, and what is it with blue roses. Doesn't anyone in the business look at all the glorious colours these flowers do come in? Do agree too with whoever mentioned pink delphiniums, they just do not look right.
The 'black' petunias that were sold with much trumpeting earlier this year, were in fact a very, very deep purplish colour - pleasant enough I suppose, but why would you want a black flower anyway? On the other hand, I suppose people must buy them for whatever reason, as otherwise the growers would not keep trying to do these things.
I recall years ago one of the most famous streptocarpus growers was offering money to anyone who could grow a yellow strep., well I assume someone did if he/she did not to it themselves, as they seem to be available now - why?
People are always fascinated by the new and unusual so I guess this is what drives this rather odd industry. Oh well, back to my pink, yellow, cream & lovely roses ......... -
Message 16
Posted by As_Iff (U13951957) on Friday, 30th September 2011
I agree, were I want "blue" I grow cornflowers or morning glory.
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Message 17
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Saturday, 1st October 2011
Friedrich
Nope, still cannot get what you're implying. So a nursery somewhere in the UK cultivates a black rose. Are you saying that we could therefore end up with mixamatosis (spelling) or grey squirrels? Of course not but your 'explanation' is vague. -
Message 18
Posted by friedrich (U5507516) on Sunday, 2nd October 2011
Paul N,
My point is that we do not need flowering plants which are genetically modified, using genes from other species to change their colour. New varieties should be produced by conventional breeding techniques, there is still a very large potential. Look at roses, less than approx. 10% of available rose species have been used in breeding, what a genetic pool still to be exploited.
The consequences of genetic modification are unknown, this is why such plants are not generally permitted in the UK and we don't need it. Researcher often try to substantiate genetically modified food crops to save the world from hunger; todate there is no case were such genetically modified crops have benefitted the starving, it has only made the companies who hold the patents richer.
It is bad enough that pest are imported into the UK were they don't have natural predators; controls which are now imposed are much too late. -
Message 19
Posted by Bubble Works (U14532674) on Sunday, 9th October 2011
well, we do not know how the genetically modified flowers affect bees and other insects. Or if they may turn into an invasive weed.
And your local beekeeper that is trying to sell organic honey wouldn't be too pleased either.
I agree, we do not need GM roses. If we can make one naturally that flowers blue, that's cool. If it involves messing around with species and adding rice genes and similar to it, then no.
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