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  Posted by Topaztort (U14971030) on Thursday, 1st September 2011

  I'd like to take some rose cuttings. Rather than put them in pots of gritty compost, will they root successfully if I put them directly in the soil around the parent plant?

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  Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Friday, 2nd September 2011

  Yes biut when you ligt them you'll disturb teh parent's roots.
  
  Better to make a slit trench. Pick a shady spot with good soil. Push your spade in vertically at least 6""/15cms. 8" and 20cms if possible. Wiggle back and forth to make a vertical V shaped trench. Do this several times in a line allowing one spade width per cutting. Pour some fine grit or sharp sand in the bottom for drainage.
  
  Insert pencil sized cuttings of your rose and push back the soil. Leave a couple of leaves and their nodes above soil level but no more or you'll dehydrate the stem. Water well and leave till next spring. With any luck you'll get one or two new plants.

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  Posted by Lokelani (U8896212) on Friday, 2nd September 2011

  I've tried once & failed to get rose cuttings to take.
  
  I'm tempted to have another go to increase my favourite bushes. However, I really don't understand how they can be propagated this way, or rather if they can be, why are all the roses we buy grafted, with a bud union & risk of suckers etc.
  
  If cuttings produce good strong bushes the same as their parent, I can't think of a reason, but I'm sure there must be a really good one!
  
  

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  Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Saturday, 3rd September 2011

  I have often wondered the same thing. It's preumably to do with vigour and health. Let's hope someone tells us if newer varieties can be gorwn with tehir own rootstocks.

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  Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Saturday, 3rd September 2011

  It does seem that growing roses by grafting onto root stock (Rosa canina) is mainly a European thing. Many American roses are grown from cuttings. Strength and vigour, as has been said, seems to be the reasoning behind it.
  
  I've tried the slit trench method and failed every time mainly because of me allowing through neglect the cuttings and surrounding soil to dry out. In July I tried some cuttings in water on the kitchen window sill and although I can see no roots, callouses have formed. Yesterday I planted these up in a pot of 50/50 compost/Perlite in a propogator in the greenhouse.
  
  I'm also trying growing roses from seeds again, having been successful in the past with Rosa rugosa. This time I'm trying Rosa moseii, the rose hip being taken from a recent trip to the Kyle of Lochalsh in the Highlands. After reading an excellent book whilst on holiday about rose breeders, Pemberton remarked that seeds didn't require stratification but could be sown immediately. I'm trying that.

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  Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Saturday, 3rd September 2011

  I once grew a whole hedge of rosa rugosa from seeds I got in a car park at Wavre, just before teh council came and hacked the plants. I sowed them straightaway in a small window box and left them outside all winter. The following spring I had enough babies to make a 20 metre hedge.
  
  We've since dug it up and replaced it with mesh fancing I can use to support sweet peas, pumpkins and a loganberry. It's a very exposed spot in winter so some of the hedge always died back which meant it was tatty and the rest tried suckering its way across my veggie patch.

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  Posted by lilleybee (U14586199) on Tuesday, 6th September 2011

  I hope we get more replies on this as I'm trying for the first time this year.
  I'm about to sell my parents house and there is a beautiful rose growing in the back garden and I desperately want cuttings.
  I tried 5 cuttings some weeks ago, 1 looks ok so far, the rest died.
  I've since taken 3 more, dipped them in rooting compound and planted them in gritty compost.
  I might take a few more and trench them...

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  Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Tuesday, 6th September 2011

  Consider these options -
  
  1. Dig up the rose provided the buyer, if you have one, agrees with this.
  
  2. Take cuttings in the usual way but place them in a pint glass of water. I placed my cuttings at the end of July (a branch had snapped off and I know this was a bit early) and whilst they didn't grow roots, callouses were formed. They are now in a gritty compost in the greenhouse, within a clear plastic bag.
  
  3. Always take more cuttings than you think you might need as you're bound to have a few failures.

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  Posted by Grub (U13235409) on Thursday, 8th September 2011

  2 years ago I tried a couple of rose cuttings as an experiment.
  I did this around mid October by putting them into a slot in the ground in a sheltered part of the garden.
  The following spring they started to shoot and by the autumn (1 year on) I had 2 reasonably bushy plants which I then moved to their final place.
  The following spring/summer they both produced flowers, although one which had been taken from a bright red rose is now producing pink flowers. I think this is part of the reason why roses are grafted, so you know what youre getting, but not sure quite how this works or the reasons why this happens.
  
  I tried about 40 cuttings last autumn, taking a few from any nice rose I came across in friends and neighbours gardens. About half have survived and these I will move on this autumn either in October or November
  
  So it seems it can work and I really think the only reason I lost half this summer is because I tend to bung them in, water very irregularly when I am nearby with the hose and really just leave them to get on with it.
  Having labelled them by colour it will be interesting to see what comes true to form. Whatever it will be better than paying £15 a plant in the garden centre

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  Posted by everhopeful (U11289037) on Monday, 12th September 2011

  2 years ago I tried a couple of rose cuttings as an experiment.
  I did this around mid October by putting them into a slot in the ground in a sheltered part of the garden.
  The following spring they started to shoot and by the autumn (1 year on) I had 2 reasonably bushy plants which I then moved to their final place.
  The following spring/summer they both produced flowers, although one which had been taken from a bright red rose is now producing pink flowers. I think this is part of the reason why roses are grafted, so you know what youre getting, but not sure quite how this works or the reasons why this happens.
  
  I tried about 40 cuttings last autumn, taking a few from any nice rose I came across in friends and neighbours gardens. About half have survived and these I will move on this autumn either in October or November
  
  So it seems it can work and I really think the only reason I lost half this summer is because I tend to bung them in, water very irregularly when I am nearby with the hose and really just leave them to get on with it.
  Having labelled them by colour it will be interesting to see what comes true to form. Whatever it will be better than paying £15 a plant in the garden centre Ìý I have had succes by planting into the ground and also in a pot.
  Incidentally the best rose I ever grew in our last house was £1 from Wilkinsons(dont think they have bargains now tho) It is still ging strong and has covered an apple tree( I saw it last week) The great thing about taking cuttings is that it cost nothing and if it doesnt work so be it. We have plants that have come from many different houses we lived in.

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  Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Tuesday, 13th September 2011

  Personally I wouldn't buy roses from a garden centre. We have a rose specialist in Maidstone (Rumwoods) and their container and bare rooted roses, always in perfect condition, cost £7.50, real bargains when you consider how long a rose lives for and how much pleasure it gives you. I've ordered half-a-dozen bare rooted varieties for delivery in November.

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  Posted by lilleybee (U14586199) on Thursday, 15th September 2011

  Bit late in answering, sorry. I delicately tackled the young couple about digging up the rose but they love the colour of it, so I've not had the heart to ask them if I can take it.
  One original cutting is still looking good and two from the next lot I took are looking ok too.
  I am going to take more cuttings tomorrow to put in water and a few to trench.
  Hopefully next spring I'll be back with good news.
  
  I do agree with buying from a rose specialist, they give good advice too.
  
  Good luck with your new bare roots Paul.

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  Posted by Sue Hall (U13984403) on Sunday, 25th September 2011

  Hello Lilleybee
  I bet if you ask the couple buying your parent's house and explain the sentimental reason why you would like to take the rose I am sure they would be OK about it - I have done this and the buyers were very sympathetic.
  
  Regarding rose cuttings, I have had lots of success with roses taking cuttings straight into plant pots. I didn't use rooting powder. I have never tried the trench method but my mother in law has, also with great success.
  
  I think the key is to take robust cuttings (about a pencil thickness) from healthy bushes and to take most of the leaves off. And don't let pots get too dry/wet either. And lots of patience too as it takes quite a while to get a good root system which will support transplanted cuttings - at least 12 months in my experience.
  
  

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  Posted by Janet (U14992291) on Saturday, 1st October 2011

  Hello Lilleybee
  I bet if you ask the couple buying your parent's house and explain the sentimental reason why you would like to take the rose I am sure they would be OK about it - I have done this and the buyers were very sympathetic.
  
  Regarding rose cuttings, I have had lots of success with roses taking cuttings straight into plant pots. I didn't use rooting powder. I have never tried the trench method but my mother in law has, also with great success.
  
  I think the key is to take robust cuttings (about a pencil thickness) from healthy bushes and to take most of the leaves off. And don't let pots get too dry/wet either. And lots of patience too as it takes quite a while to get a good root system which will support transplanted cuttings - at least 12 months in my experience.
  
  Ìý Hi, just seen your post regarding rose cuttings. This was just what I was looking for because I watched the Gardners World programme about this and wondered if you could use pots as opposed to the trench method. Could you tell me what sort of compost should be used and whether to include any grit etc. As you've probably guessed I'm a complete beginner, having moved to a house with a garden only 2 years ago. At the moment I'm just muddling through. Any help you can give would be most appreciated. Thank you.

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  Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Saturday, 1st October 2011

  I am taking rose cuttings for the first (successful) time this year as I've found the slit trench method didn't work for me. I'd neglect them and they'd dry out.
  
  This year I am taking rose cuttings and placing them in tall pots, each having a 50/50 GP compost/Pearlite mixture plus a placky bag over the top. So far, after four weeks, they seem to be coping.

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